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Can someone unpack the Fivebucks criticisms... What do you make of their claims re: being damaged by tying practices and nChain/CG bumping them?? https://twitter.com/FivebucksC/status/1307115912173170689?s=20
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It's so sad that they are holding this position But this concept is definitely a extremely powerful one You could grow bigger than Airbnb, tenfold
erik replied:
We need USD on chain It'll professionalize Bitcoin
I checked Fivebucks before, and I knew they couldn't succeed. Not because BSV (or any other currency), but because they couldn't narrow it down and focus on things I needed or wanted. It was too broad, and I ended up using more specialized platforms.  If they (or someone else) is making a similar service, then try to focus and narrow down things that people need. For example, create an art gallery, where someone can draw a painting based on your inputs (you send a hand sketch, you get a professional painting). Or a developer that will specialize on things, that you can filter and narrow down. Many ideas. Something that users need, can find and filter, and are willing to pay for. When I checked it the last time, Fivebucks was just a pile of pretty much random services. Also, a very bad idea to just btch about BSV. You gona lose support from BSVer, and won't get much from other communities. Still, good luck in your future journeys. 
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glauce replied:
Nicely said! I agree with you in full, more focused offerings could be a great start for a new service, or even a revamped Fivebucks, making it into a go to place. Maybe we could add to that a wider price range, as higher returns might encourage more experienced people to join... users would also benefit by being able to choose according to specific purposes. Yes, I also agree blaming is not a good show. Let the dust settle.
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musiq replied:
good advice!
pete replied:
Fivebucks is a clone of Fiverr, and Fiverr isn't specialised. 😉 BSV "community" is perhaps too small for Fivebucks to produce a sufficient quantity of buyers and sellers.
glauce replied:
Good point@pete... we need to grow to sustain apps like Fivebucks. As for clones, I think they have a much slimmer chance of success, they are the past already, baggage included.
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dimadan replied:
Yes, I forgot about that one. I guess that's another reason Fivebucks failed (they compete without providing any competitive advantage). I just checked, and Fiverr, at least has some distinct (narrower) categories.  Anyways, my point was that you don't start too broad, and dump everything into one pile, but make one category, build providers and users, build interaction between them (work delivered, feedback, reviews, payments, etc.), then move up to the next one(s). Fivebucks started from above and failed everywhere. I didn't even see a point in registering there. Powping (for example) started at the bottom, and focused only on BSV users to kinda have a place where BSVers get together to discuss BSV, then move to discuss other topics, then move to other forms of interaction (maybe sale or service), and so on. Does that make sense? Powping has a chance to succeed, Fivebucks probably didn't
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glauce replied:
Makes a lot of sense... PowPing feels like the anthesis of clones or apps that based on existing/past models...@unwriter seems to be designing/developing with organic growth in mind
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Who cares. Bai Fivebucks!
It sounds like sour grapes because they couldn't market their project.
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I’m not sure what Fivebucks is trying to say. That because of nChain’s patent portfolio that created a lot of hate for BSV and so Fivebucks suffered because BSV was not as popular?
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glauce replied:
Nice thinking, but wouldn't that be strange? If they are with BSV, they know the extent of counter propaganda that comes with the territory.
liam replied:
Yeah I don’t really get it. Might just be a bit emotional at the failure as@musiq mentioned
glauce replied:
Yes, this can be a heart breaking experience... maybe they need some love.
benjamin replied:
I think that may be it...?? At first, I was inferring they got hit up to pay royalties or something. Or maybe that they got less preferable tx rates. Who knows -- hence the question I guess. Regardless, when the #1 (well, beyond CSW and CA issues) concern w/ BSV from outsiders is concern w/ "centralization" -- having an app throw this kind of commentary out there is fuel for the fire. I understand BSV thoughts re: distributed, but concentrated mammoth, mining/tx node small world vs an expansive, but somewhat impotent, mesh. But, I think centralist concern for many is the concentration of capital, media presence, etc. The 'answer' DKra style is competition and eventual growth of counterbalancing poles in the network. But, if entrep. see "set in stone" and like it, but then see fellow entrep. leaving the business because of purported wielding of hegemonic power. Not a good look. But, again, I have no idea... it probably was as simple as "CAAL" scared away the user base we hoped to attract w/ narratives... Although I don't really love the dividing perceptions of Ayre/CG/VC/comply/be nice powping world vs independent/agitator/do stuff/actually use your coin twetch world narratives as it could limit network effects at a critical stage... but I do think having Shadders et al willing to engage on Node Q&As and the like in an open forum like powping is a good thing. As is, to be fair, the freedom for firebrands in alternative forums. Rambling over, back to work!
benjamin replied:
Well, one last comment. To be fair, it is nice to actually get feedback on a question! I asked on Twetch and got no interaction. Maybe that's because interactions here are currently subsidized (? not sure - didn't pay to post the question) -- but, I'll take it for now. Hard to learn in a vacuum!
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liam replied:
Just re your second comment@benjamin, i prefer powping just cus of how much faster it is for me to use than twetch. Also there are design things with twetch that disincentivise replying to comments imo. One is that if I reply to a comment, I receive only half the amount for a like. Powping’s offchain free to post / goes onchain if tipped hybrid feels like a better user experience.
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orac replied:
I'm in general agreement with you liam, other than tipping in Powping is a little awkward.
glauce replied:
Tipping awkwardness... I have been thinking of that, going between ease (simplicity) and effort (uncomplicated effort)... still can't make up my mind, as both have advantages... perhaps effort is beginning to take the lead, just because it adds a little something to what we're doing, something to consider rather than act impulsively, which could cheapen the act of tipping in our mind. Maybe is time to bury the ease of old habits. So far, in social media, PowPing seems to be the only way this can be done. Maybe Fivebucks has to refresh from looking back too.
Indeed@benjamim, this story seems half told. What exactly didn't happen to make Fivebucks a success?
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orac replied:
My thoughts too. I don't recall seeing any Twetch, Powping, Telegram, etc posts from FiveBucks promoting themselves. I usually forgot about FiveBucks as there was never any mention or promotion other than their listing in TonicPow or agora.icu.
glauce replied:
We "forgot"... yes, great observation!
When the difference using an app or service is nothing, using bitcoin vs fiat, youre focused into fanboys, not into ultility, and every entrepeneur must understand that before do the first step. Focused in fanboys or focused in use case and utility. Anyone give me a reason about fivebucks must use bitcoin as payment...
There's some truth to it and I can see why he's angry, but I wouldn't say BSV has become illegal security.
sirquacksalot replied:
Perhaps they could go into detail about their claims and launch legal action. I'll be waiting.
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benjamin replied:
I'm just not sure what exactly is being alleged... Not sure if folks that do know can really speak to it. But, if there's a public statement about it beyond the tweet - I'd be interested to read up.
musiq replied:
His followup comment tells me he's just being emotional. https://twitter.com/FivebucksC/status/1307116050744573953?s=20
I do agree with his sentiment, but it's not illegal.